# Body temperature and pulse

Category: Theories & Frameworks

Also known as: body temperature, basal temperature, resting pulse, metabolic indicators

Body temperature and pulse are the primary, cost-free indicators Ray Peat used to assess the underlying metabolic rate, arguing they reveal more about physiological energy production than standard thyroid lab tests. Peat built upon the work of Broda Barnes, who identified that…

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## Synthesis

**Body temperature and pulse** are the primary, cost-free indicators Ray Peat used to assess the underlying **metabolic rate**, arguing they reveal more about physiological energy production than standard thyroid lab tests. [Source 1, 5] Peat built upon the work of Broda Barnes, who identified that a waking axillary temperature below 97.8°F and a failure to rise to approximately 98.6°F during the day suggested hypothyroidism. [Source 1, 9] However, Peat observed that environmental factors like a hot, humid climate could artificially normalize the temperature of even severely hypothyroid individuals, leading him to insist that *pulse rate must be measured concurrently* to avoid being misled. [Source 1, 4] He noted that a low metabolizing person given environmental support might maintain a normal temperature while their pulse remained pathologically low, sometimes between 45 and 65 beats per minute. [Source 1, 9]

The interpretation of these metrics hinges on distinguishing thyroid-driven metabolism from compensatory stress responses. Peat documented that individuals in an exhausted hypothyroid state often have a low temperature and pulse, but those who shift into a manic or highly stressed phase can wake with a normal temperature and a pulse of 80 due to high levels of **adrenaline** and **cortisol**. [Source 1, 6] A critical diagnostic pattern he identified is the *postprandial temperature drop*: if a person’s temperature and pulse fall significantly after eating a carbohydrate-rich breakfast, it reveals that their apparent metabolic rate was being artificially propped up by emergency stress hormones, which food temporarily reduces. [Source 1, 4] Danny Roddy has elaborated on this, noting that a combination of a slightly lower core temperature with a high pulse rate is indicative of high adrenaline and cortisol compensating for low thyroid function, whereas a high temperature and high pulse accompanied by a feeling of relaxation signals genuine thyroid-driven metabolism. [Source 3, 10]

Peat considered a resting pulse rate of 80 to 85 beats per minute as optimal for a healthy young person, a state achieved when **TSH** and **parathyroid hormone** are both at the bottom of their reference ranges, indicating cells are autonomously running at a high energy level. [Source 4] He cautioned that a low resting heart rate, often culturally misconstrued as a sign of fitness, is frequently associated with a down-regulated metabolism, low testosterone, increased estrogen, and degenerative problems. [Source 2, 9] Roddy reinforces that tracking these metrics upon waking and in the afternoon leverages the thyroid’s circadian rhythm—where function should be lowest in the morning and highest in the afternoon—to provide a relative sense of thyroid status, emphasizing that *temperature and pulse don't lie* in the way that lab work, which he compares to an interpretive painting, can be wildly misread. [Source 8, 10]

Practical measurement requires attention to confounding variables. Peat noted that in overweight individuals, subcutaneous fat can insulate the body so thoroughly that it takes hours for an axillary thermometer to reflect core temperature, and that the vasoconstrictive effects of adrenaline can keep the skin, fingers, and toes cold even when core temperature appears normal. [Source 5, 7] He therefore considered the temperature of the extremities in a cool room a more sensitive indicator than core readings alone. [Source 7] Ultimately, Peat viewed body temperature as merely a rough approximation of how much fuel is being burned, stating that the definitive metabolic test would be the direct measurement of **oxygen consumption** and **carbon dioxide production**, as was done with 1930s basal metabolic rate assessments. [Source 7] The Achilles reflex relaxation test—where a healthy thyroid function produces an instantaneous, floppy relaxation of the foot after a tendon tap—served as another quick, corroborating physical indicator. [Source 5, 9]

## People also ask

### Why does Ray Peat recommend measuring pulse alongside body temperature?

Peat argued that environmental factors like a hot climate can artificially normalize the temperature of a hypothyroid person, so a concurrently low pulse rate reveals the underlying low metabolic state that temperature alone might hide.

### What does a drop in temperature after eating breakfast indicate?

A postprandial temperature and pulse drop suggests the apparent metabolic rate was being artificially propped up by stress hormones like adrenaline and cortisol, which food temporarily reduces, unmasking low thyroid function.

### How does a stress-driven metabolism differ from a thyroid-driven one in these measurements?

A stress-driven state often shows a normal or high pulse with a slightly lower temperature due to adrenaline and cortisol, whereas genuine thyroid-driven metabolism presents with a high temperature and high pulse accompanied by a feeling of relaxation.

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## Cited passages

Passage numbers match the `[Source N]` markers in the synthesis above.

### Source 1 — Interview with Raymond Peat, Ph.D.

Ray Peat · Interview · 2011 · http://l-i-g-h-t.com/files/east-west-the-thyroid.mp4

> **Josh Rubin:** So, I guess basing your approach to the other tests, like I kind of mention, is really body temperature. So maybe, if you could, cause I think for a lot of people, I find, you don’t have to pay a lot of money for it, it’s an easy test for the practitioner to get a baseline for your client, but it’s great for the client or just the average Joe that’s listening to really start becoming aware of what’s going on. So maybe tell us what does a low body temperature mean, or low pulse or high pulse, and why do you use these as indicators of a baseline of our metabolism?
>
> **Ray Peat:** Broda Barnes, when he was working as a physician in the 30’s, he was a PhD researcher who identified much of the physiology of hypothyroidism. But then he became a medical doctor and he practiced [for] most of his life in Colorado where the weather is very cool - even in the summer. And for his patients, the temperature was a very adequate way of diagnosing, and he describes the temperature - waking temperature - he thought it should be maybe around 97.8. And then after breakfast it should rise to, during the day, somewhere around 98.6. And in Eugene in hot summer weather I saw the same people who, in the winter, would have very low oral temperature. I saw that in the hot humid summer weather, these hypothyroid people were maintaining a normal core temperature. And sometimes their hands would be cold, even in hot weather. But I saw that a low metabolizing person, given some environmental support, can manage to keep their temperature pretty close to normal. And so I saw that their pulse rate, even when their temperature might be 98.5 during the daytime, often they would have a pulse rate of 45 or 55 or 65, somewhere below optimal. And that started me thinking about the factors that regulate body temperature. And I saw that some people who had extreme hypothyroidism who would oscillate between extreme depression and extreme mania. And when they were going into the depression, their temperature would be consistently low, but once they switched over to the manic phase, they would wake up with a pulse rate of maybe 75 or 80 and a temperature right where Broda Barnes would have wanted it. And besides just the average pulse rate and temperature, I saw that after those people would eat a big breakfast, their temperature would fall. By 11 o’clock they would show up a hypothyroid temperature. And during the night, everyone tends to have more of the stress hormones, alternating surges of adrenaline and cortisol, for example.

### Source 2 — EastWest Healing: The Thyroid

Ray Peat · Interview · Feb 22, 2011

> ## Pulse and Temperature as Indicators
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> **Josh Rubin:** So, if someone has a low resting heart rate, society often thinks that means they are healthy, like Lance Armstrong. But you're saying a low resting heart rate can mean they are down-regulating their metabolism?
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> **Ray Peat:** Yes, and it tends to go with fertility problems, hormonal problems, low testosterone, increased estrogen, and degenerative problems.

### Source 3 — How to assess metabolic and thyroid health with Danny Roddy

Danny Roddy · Interview · Jun 18, 2021 · https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2giM8RiauY

> **Strong Sistas:** Yeah, so it's been a little bit over a year now. I started measuring my waking body temperature when I was zero carb, over-exercising, super lean. I'm embarrassed, but my waking temperature was like 96.4. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that just screams your thyroid needs help. You are doing a lot of damage. But you brought up a great point. It's really important to measure both of those together.
>
> **Danny Roddy:** can be a little bit misleading if you just measure one or the other
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> **Strong Sistas:** yeah yeah so okay so when when someone wakes up in the morning get a uh digital basal thermometer they're not too expensive go on amazon uh measure your temperature right when you wake up and then measure your pulse track that Beautiful.
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> **Danny Roddy:** The thing is, the oral is a little bit higher than the underarm temperature. And so somebody might be like, oh, my temperature is completely fine. My oral temperature.
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> **Strong Sistas:** I did not.
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> **Danny Roddy:** But yeah, it might be a degree or two difference between the two.
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> **Strong Sistas:** Oh, wow. OK, so do underarm with your thermometer. Take both of those tests throughout the day. So it's like frequent measurements. And like you said, your temperature should rise throughout the day as your thyroid kind of. yeah

### Source 4 — One Radio Network: Ray Peat with Patrick Timpone — August 16, 2021

Ray Peat · Interview · Aug 16, 2021

> **Patrick Timpone:** Who was the fellow, Dr. Peat, that really did the whole brood of barns? I mean, he went through a whole thing where he didn't want you to move much and everything and just as quietly as possible get your awaking temperature. But that's kind of a contraindication of what you said about checking it after breakfast.
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> **Ray Peat:** Oh, yeah, he relied just on that one measurement. But I noticed in Eugene during a hot, humid summer, extremely hypothyroid people kept up a normal temperature all through the day just because the air was 90 degrees or so, and they couldn't, even if they died, it would take them a while to cool off.
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> **Patrick Timpone:** Mm-hmm.
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> **Ray Peat:** And so you have to take into account the pulse rate and the effect of food and the time of day and look at the whole picture.
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> **Patrick Timpone:** And in all your experience over many years on the thyroid, which you've studied a lot, even in men and women, a pulse rate of what would be kind of like what you want to kind of look for, work your way towards?
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> **Ray Peat:** A healthy, youngish person at rest, anywhere between 18 and 40, it's good to have your resting pulse at 80 or 85. Is that right?

### Source 5 — EastWest Healing: Energy and Metabolism

Ray Peat · Interview · Jul 17, 2013 · https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaF26fTAkWw

> ## Monitoring Metabolism
>
> **Josh Rubin:** What do body temperature and pulse tell us about energy metabolism? Do you find that to be more accurate than a thyroid panel?
>
> **Ray Peat:** As long as you do it in the same way, in the same place, it doesn't matter very much. The mouth is quicker than the armpit usually. I found that some people had fat armpits and it would take about two hours to get the temperature up through that thick layer of fat. Also, in hot, humid weather, I saw hypothyroid people with normal temperatures. So I checked their pulse. These people coming in with 98.6 temperatures had 45-minute pulse rates. You have to look at more than one indicator. The Achilles reflex relaxation test is a very quick and definite indicator of thyroid function. You want the toe to hang freely and relaxed when you kneel in a chair. If you thump it and get a twitch, the foot should relax with complete, instantaneous relaxation. It should look just like a piece of jelly flopping there after the outward twitch. If your thyroid is good, the relaxation should be utterly relaxed and floppy.
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> **Josh Rubin:** With temperature and pulse, we're looking at how our cells are using glucose, oxygen, and thyroid. It shows you that you're going in the right direction, correct?

### Source 6 — Hashimotos Antibodies Temperature and Pulse KMUD 2013

Ray Peat · Interview · 2013

> **Caller:** Where can I go to read more about what you’ve just said ?
>
> **Ray Peat:** My website has several articles about it. And something else you have to do is notice that changes during the day. Because low thyroid people typically compensate with stress hormones increases. Sometimes mainly adrenaline, sometimes mostly cortisol. Others, including serotonin, will increase, especially at night, histamine often increases at night. And, all of the stress hormones make your tissue metabolize, but not in an energy-producing way, but an energy-wasting way. And, if you take an overdose of cortisol and adrenaline, the adrenaline will make your skin get cold, the cortisol will make you breakdown your muscle tissue, and glandular tissue, to turn to sugar. And that will heat your body up. And some people wake up with a 98 or 99 degrees temperature. But then, when they eat breakfast, by 10 or 11 in the morning, their temperature might have fallen to 94 or 95 degrees.
>
> **Herb Doctor:** OK. Thanks for the caller. Temperature and pulse measurements is my next question to you. These are 2 practical things people at home can get their hands on to check their metabolic rate. And there are many different scenarios possible here, which I would like to ask you about.

### Source 7 — Hashimotos Antibodies Temperature and Pulse KMUD 2013

Ray Peat · Interview · 2013

> **Caller:** …are waterlogged…
>
> **Ray Peat:** Yeah. And instead of being evaporated, the low thyroid person tends to retain water. And, there are so many indications other than temperature…I first started playing with Barne’s technique one hot, humid summer in Eugene, when it was about 95 degrees. And, even people who could hardly move (they were so hypothyroid) were very close to normal temperature. And I realized that a squash sitting on the counter would show a normal metabolic rate, if you went just by temperature. And so, checking your pulse rate, and the temperature of your fingers and toes in a cool room: those are more sensitive indicators. And…
>
> **Caller:** I remember you writing that if people are using an electric blanket at night, you place less value on the basal temperature.
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> **Ray Peat:** Yeah. Same thing as in a hot humid climate: if you keep the temperature up artificially, even a dead person will be warm.
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> **Caller:** So, because there’s so many variables, getting an absolute gauge on this is going to be very difficult?
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> **Ray Peat:** Exactly. It’s the whole function. The best single test would be how much oxygen you breathe in, and how much carbon dioxide you exhale, that’s actually showing what’s going on chemically. And you can’t produce a normal amount of carbon dioxide by being overstressed, or high in estrogen. Others things will happen other that producing carbon dioxide, as you burn your fuel. So, the old fashion, 1930’s basal metabolic rate, by breathing oxygen and blowing out carbon dioxide, that was the real thyroid test. And the temperature is just the very rough approximation of how much fuel you’re burning. The pulse rate…

### Source 8 — Interview with Danny Roddy: Increase Metabolism, Underactive Thyroid and Importance of Carbs!

Danny Roddy · Interview · Mar 10, 2023 · https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHTNECQL3es

> **Danny Roddy:** And I had like a limited amount of success with that. But it kind of like broke me out of the low carb confines. And so I started thinking a little bit differently after that. And then eventually ran into rapy and like kind of never looked back after that. Yeah. And you talk about temperature and pulse. Those are good insights as far as metabolic health. Is that something you recommend people do, you know, maybe in the morning and then in the middle of the day or something? yeah ray had a quote and it's like you can't know where you are you can't know where you're going if you don't know where you are and so i look at like measuring the pulse and temperature as like basic metrics for assessing like the the rate of metabolism and this is not me saying this is kind of like a broda barnes thing that was that thyroid doctor he wrote a book called hypothyroidism the unsuspected illness and so i think doing that in the upon waking like that's the first thing you do like while you're in bed um That would be like checking your pulse with your fingers and doing a one-minute timer on your phone and then getting like a cheap VIX digital thermometer and putting it under your armpit. Doing that in the morning and then again in the afternoon. Apparently, the thyroid has a circadian rhythm where it should be the lowest in the morning and highest in the afternoon. And so a person could get a relative sense of their thyroid function just by doing that test. And then also...

### Source 9 — EastWest Healing: The Thyroid

Ray Peat · Interview · Feb 22, 2011

> ## Pulse and Temperature as Indicators
>
> **Josh Rubin:** You mentioned high cholesterol is a huge indicator of low thyroid, as is the Achilles reflex. What about pulse and temperature? Why do you look at those while everyone else focuses on TSH and Free T4?
>
> **Ray Peat:** The idea of free and bound hormones is purely a laboratory construction. It’s a little bit analogous to reading tea leaves. Actually, when thyroid hormone is stuck to albumin protein in the blood, it has no trouble getting into cells. Regarding TSH, I don't recommend it as a way to diagnose hypothyroidism, but if you are looking at a blood test, I recommend having as close to zero TSH as you can get. All the known effects of TSH are harmful. Doctors often argue that suppressing TSH causes osteoporosis, but the evidence is the opposite. Thyrotropin (TSH), like estrogen, increases osteoprotegerin, which increases the movement of calcium into your arteries and heart and out of the bones. Regarding temperature, Dr. Broda Barnes practiced in Colorado and found temperature was an adequate way of diagnosing. He thought waking temperature should be around 97.8°F, rising to around 98.6°F after breakfast. I observed that in hot, humid summer weather, hypothyroid people could maintain a normal core temperature, but often their pulse rate would still be low—45 to 65 beats per minute. I also saw people with extreme hypothyroidism oscillate between depression and mania. When depressed, their temperature was low. In the manic phase, they would wake up with a pulse of 80 and a normal temperature. Furthermore, if you see a person's temperature and pulse rate fall after a good meal, that reveals a low metabolic rate that was being held up by emergency stimulation from adrenaline and cortisol. Food reduces stress, so when the stress hormones drop, the true low metabolism is revealed.

### Source 10 — How to assess metabolic and thyroid health with Danny Roddy

Danny Roddy · Interview · Jun 18, 2021 · https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2giM8RiauY

> **Strong Sistas:** yeah okay so now we went over like check marks for what people can just like assess their like feelings their day-to-day emotions their day-to-day um like um like their gut and bowel movements and things like that but what about actual measurements and tests so let's start with like at home tests a super easy way to assess your thyroid and metabolism which are two really important features of the repeat bioenergetic pro metabolic nutrition strategy and outlook let's start with like at home simple tests
>
> **Danny Roddy:** yeah yeah so wrote a broda barnes wrote a book called hypothyroidism unsuspected illness and so anything here if a person is interested they should definitely check out that book it's like 12 you can buy it online but in that book he says uh brother says uh under the armpit upon waking person should be uh not under 97.8 and he thought if that was lower than that or 36.6 degrees celsius that was indicative of hypothyroidism and usually there are many symptoms that go along with that maybe like morning edema or just feeling like you got hit by a bus during the night time or something um and so that would be a good uh indicator and then the spice that ray adds to that is the pulse rate and so broda mentioned it a few times during that that book but ray is kind of famous for one of his articles saying that he thought an optimal pulse was around 85 beats per minute in the afternoon with a afternoon temperature of around 98.6 and so it's okay so broda 97.8 uh and under upon waking was indicative of lower thyroid function and the thyroid to my understanding has a circadian rhythm so it's highest in the afternoon so it should rise to 98.6 in the afternoon along with a higher pulse rate This gets into a whole can of worms because most people are like, high pulse is terrible. I feel so awful when my pulse is high. And I think that's from adrenaline, not from thyroid. And so when the thyroid is low, sometimes the adrenaline is extremely high. And that can cause the pulse to be like 90 or 100 or 110, 120. And the best way I know of describing it is if you have a high temperature and a high pulse rate and you feel relaxed, I think that's the sign of a higher thyroid function. And if you have a slightly lower temperature, your hands and feet are cold. I didn't mention that. That was one of the important things of health, the temperature of the hands and feet. What was I saying?

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